“Meta universe can be said to be the common vision of the entire technology Internet industry. You can think of it as the next form of mobile Internet. It is by no means something that a company can build. Facebook will work with many companies, Developers work together to build the prototype of the meta-universe.”
“I don’t think that Metaverse is to make people more exposed to the Internet, but to contact the Internet in a more natural way.
Look at our existing computing platforms today, such as mobile phones. They are relatively small, and we have spent a long time in them. Basically, we will process most of the information on this small, bright cuboid. communication. But I don’t think this is a natural way of human interaction. “
“If you want to wear AR glasses all day, it must look similar to ordinary glasses. This requires us to install a relatively powerful computer in a very small space.
To be more specific, you need to put a series of components such as computing chips, network chips, holographic imaging systems, sensors, batteries, speakers, etc. into the small glasses. This is definitely a challenge.
Although I will not say that this will be the biggest challenge the entire industry will face in the next ten years, it is indeed a huge challenge. Because the technology of Metaverse itself is very complicated, but at the level of reaching users at the end, we must make the device as minimalist as possible, just like a pair of ordinary glasses. “
“One thing I have learned from the experience of running Facebook in the past 5 years: I used to think that our job is to create products that users like to use, but now I think we should look at this more holistically-just create something that everyone likes. It’s not enough to use things. We need to create more opportunities and things that are more positive for society, so that everyone can participate in it, and we must be sufficiently inclusive. The above are all things we follow when constructing the meta-universe space. Underlying principles, these spaces are not just our products, but an ecosystem.”
“With the help of Metaverse, when remote office becomes the norm, regional restrictions are completely eliminated. After Facebook realized that the epidemic will become normal, I asked the team to stop recruiting people closer to the office. NS.
Telecommuting will become the mainstream in the future. I think in 5 to 10 years, maybe half of the companies will switch to telecommuting, which will create a lot of job opportunities. “
“I don’t want to serve a small number of users with high single customer value. This is not the business model we pursue. What we want is to help as many people as possible connect with each other. When creating a social system, we hope that more people can connect with each other. Together the better.”
“In the overall vision of Metaverse, there are still many technical problems that require tens of billions of R&D investment, and it can also release hundreds of billions of dollars in value.
For example, autonomous driving requires huge investment in artificial intelligence research and development. In addition, there are actually many issues that require government investment, such as space exploration, disease research, and so on. In contrast, the Chinese government has made a lot of direct investment in these areas. “
In an interview with The Verge at the end of June, Facebook founder and CEO Mark Zuckerberg expressed his views on the development of Meta Universe and Facebook’s vision in this field, which attracted worldwide attention.
Recently, many domestic Internet giants have been under regulatory pressure and have adjusted their strategies toward the official calibre of common prosperity. It happened that Zuckerberg also talked about Facebook’s goal, not just to make popular products, but to make popular products. It is necessary to create more opportunities for the whole society and make it develop in a positive direction.
From this point of view, Internet platform companies will face tremendous pressure on social responsibility after they have developed to a certain size.
Zuckerberg believes that the meta-universe will be one of the important ways to realize the creation of opportunities. Firstly, a new economic ecology can be derived around this technology. In addition, through the limitation of the size of the meta-universe, more people can be able to Get more job opportunities.
In addition, Zuckerberg also shared the application scenarios of Metaverse such as “Wireless Office”; talked about topics such as the supervision of Metaverse, the establishment of standards and protocols. Finally, the host ended the interview with a stalk of the number one player…
The 40-minute interview was very interesting. The smart investor kept the original translation and shared it with everyone——
Host: Hello, everyone. This is The Vergecast. Today is a special program. Our contributing editor Kathy Newton interviewed Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg and talked about VR and meta-universe topics. Their The dialogue is very deep, I believe you will like it.
Meta universe is the common vision of the entire technology Internet industry
Hope that people’s awareness of Facebook will shift from social media to Metaverse within 5 years
Question: Zuckerberg, welcome to The Vergecast.
Zuckerberg: I’m glad to be here to chat. We have a lot of topics to talk about this time.
Question: Yes, as always, I want to talk about your recent internal speech on Facebook. You said that Facebook’s future vision is by no means only on a two-dimensional plane, but the so-called “metauniverse”, so what is a metauniverse? What role does Facebook want to play in it?
Zuckerberg: This is a grand theme. Metaverse can be said to be the common vision of the entire technology Internet industry. You can think of it as the next form of mobile Internet.
It is by no means something that a certain company can build. I hope that Facebook will work with many companies and developers to build the prototype of the meta-universe together.
You can think of Metaverse as a concrete Internet, where you can not only view content, but also be in it with other users.
After accessing the Metaverse, you are like being in other places, and you can experience some things that are difficult to experience in two-dimensional applications and web pages, such as you can dance, exercise, and so on.
But I found that many people only think of VR (virtual reality) when they mention the metaverse. Of course, I admit that VR will be a very important part of the metaverse, and it is also an area of interest to us, because it will It is an important technology for transmitting information in the meta-universe;
However, Metaverse is not just as simple as VR technology, it will involve all other computing platforms, in addition to VR, AR (augmented reality), but also computers, mobile devices, game consoles…
Speaking of game consoles, many people may still think that Metaverse is mainly related to games. Of course, entertainment will be a huge application scenario for it, but I don’t think it is just about games.
I think it is an environment where everyone can synchronize in real time. It is similar to today’s social platforms on many levels, but you can integrate into it. It can be a three-dimensional scene, and you can enter it through your mobile phone, such as participating in a 3D concert. .
Of course, it is not necessarily all 3D content, there can also be 2D content, I will be happy to share more details of the application scenarios later.
In general, I think this will be the next big chapter in the entire technology industry. We are very excited about this because it is closely related to many areas we are laying out, such as communities, content creators, digital advertising, and next-generation mobile platforms such as VR and AR that can give people an immersive experience.
I believe that all these directions we are working on will eventually become the ladder for us to jointly build the meta-universe vision.
I hope that in the next 5 years, the world’s perception of us will gradually change from a social networking company to a meta universe company.
Obviously, many of the work we are doing now, such as building a community and recruiting creators, are directly serving this vision.
Mobile phones are not a natural way for humans to interact
Metaverse will allow people to access the Internet in a more natural way
Question: This sounds like a very long-term vision. Although part of it is imaginable today, in general, this should be the ultimate form of the Internet possible, from waking up in the morning to going to bed at night. We can accomplish almost everything in the meta-universe.
Maybe some people have been immersed in the Internet all day long like this now, but the concept of meta-universe may be more like the scene depicted in the movie “Ready Player One”, the novel “Avalanche” or the game “Fortress Night”.
Many important work and life scenes are integrated into the virtual space. Do you think the above examples are similar to your vision?
Zuckerberg: What excites me most about Metaverse is that it can provide people with an experience that allows them to integrate into a virtual space with family, friends, and colleagues.
What you just said is correct. In reality, some people have been immersed in the mobile Internet all day since they woke up. I don’t know how you are, but I am like that. I wake up every morning and before putting on my glasses, I check my phone to see if there is any important information that I need to solve immediately.
So I don’t think that the metaverse is to allow people to contact the Internet more, but to contact the Internet in a more natural way.
Look at our existing computing platforms today, such as mobile phones. They are relatively small, and we have spent a long time in them. Basically, we will process most of the information on this small, bright cuboid. communication.
But I don’t think this is a natural way of human interaction.
Nowadays, many of our meetings are done facing small mobile phone screens. This is not a natural way of meeting at all. The natural way should be for everyone to live in the same room and sit together.
In this way, we will have the feeling of sharing the same space. When different people speak, the sound will also have a sense of space, instead of all sounding from one place (ie, mobile phone speakers).
I don’t know if you have had this experience. After attending many online conferences last year, I found that sometimes it is difficult to recall who said something at the conference. I think part of the reason is that these online conferences were not present. feel.
So I think VR, AR and Metaverse will help people get a more realistic experience in the same way as their natural interactions. I think this kind of experience will be more comfortable and the interaction between people will be richer in the future. This kind of virtual interaction will become very real.
Compared to communicating over the phone, people can use holographic images to appear in other places in the future, making everyone feel together, even though they may be hundreds of miles apart and in different states.
I had a theoretically feasible idea when I was in junior high school
Next-generation technology will make it a reality
Zuckerberg: Actually, when I was in junior high school, that is, when I was new to programming, I began to fantasize about this kind of scene. I remember that in a math class, I wrote code, ideas and what I wanted to write after I went home at night. Code.
One of the things I wanted to write at the time was to allow you to be completely in one of these types of Internet, and to be able to transmit it arbitrarily. I am proud to say that I was able to conceive some mathematically feasible models at that time, but it will take decades to realize the technology.
My original idea about this field has nothing to do with social experience, but the technology itself makes me very excited. Before I founded Facebook, I realized that it may be the “Holy Grail” in the field of social interaction.
So I am very excited now, because the next generation of computing platforms can truly realize these ideas, which is one of the reasons why we have invested heavily in VR and AR technologies.
The mobile platform of mobile phone appeared before Facebook was born, so we did not play a very critical role in shaping its application scenarios. In my opinion, the development of mobile phones does not follow people’s natural way of interaction.
People are not born to do all kinds of things through those mobile apps. The more natural way is to come to the scene to interact with other people. Therefore, it will be a very positive thing for us to build a next-generation computing platform based on this idea.
The technology of meta-universe design is very complicated
But to be minimal at the level of reaching users
High-intensity computing-intensive tasks can also be done in Starbucks
Q: I’m not sure, people will feel that it’s more natural to wear a VR headset to work every day, but maybe we will get used to it.
But I am very interested in what you mentioned earlier that the metaverse can give birth to new jobs and new economic forms. What new types of jobs do you think it will create?
Zuckerberg: Let me respond to the first point you mentioned. The existing technology may need some development before people can adapt to being in it all day, but I think this can be achieved within ten years. .
Today’s VR helmets are indeed a bit clumsy, they are heavier to wear, and need to be improved, resolution and so on. We will do this slowly, and each generation will have a better experience. Existing VR users have begun to apply it in some social scenes that surprise us.
Because our initial plan was to use it in games or work, entertainment or to increase work efficiency, but for example, fitness applications, which I have never thought about before, let everyone participate in fitness classes remotely by connecting VR devices , Riding, boxing, and dancing together.
This is really interesting, if you haven’t tried it, you can really try it.
Although I don’t think that all the application scenarios of Metaverse will be realized through AR and VR, these products appear because they are widely accepted in social situations and will be relatively comfortable to wear in the future.
If you are going to wear AR glasses all day, then its appearance must look similar to ordinary glasses. This requires us to install a relatively powerful computer in a very small space.
To be more specific, you need to put a series of components such as computing chips, network chips, holographic imaging systems, sensors, batteries, speakers, etc. into the small glasses. This is definitely a challenge.
Although I will not say that this will be the biggest challenge the entire industry will face in the next ten years, it is indeed a huge challenge. Because the technology of Metaverse itself is very complicated, but at the level of reaching users at the end, we must make the device as minimalist as possible, just like a pair of ordinary glasses.
But when you do all this, it will be able to achieve many interesting application scenarios.
For example, with such AR glasses, no matter where you are, powerful workstations will be available at your fingertips. You can walk into a Starbucks, drink coffee over and over while waving your finger, and then countless displays can appear out of thin air, and the size is up to you.
If you have a problem and want to contact someone, you don’t need to make a phone call. Instead, let them project and send it over. They can see the virtual screen in front of you, or whatever you want to share with them.
And your work documents, such as the code or the 3D model you are working on, are directly displayed next to you, you can directly interact with it, and can be transmitted to any place in the same form in an instant.
The above scenario is called “infinite office”, it will help you improve your focus time or personal productivity. We have developed an initial version and iteratively update it.
I think this and this feature is very suitable for multitasking, it allows you to easily build work scenarios in any environment. There are many studies that show that when you perform multiple tasks that are related to each other at the same time, the efficiency will be significantly improved. For example, when you are programming, it is more efficient to open multiple windows to write together than to write a program.
Another work-related scene is meetings. We already have a lot of meetings conducted through VR. Although the avatars that everyone uses now don’t look very real, they have a sense of presence in the senses. VR The meeting is like a Zoom meeting in a shared space.
Everyone’s projections can sit together, and people who don’t have the conditions to use VR can still intervene in the form of video, and then everyone can share any number of documents in it. Unlike the existing video conference, due to the limitation of screen space, Only one document can be shared.
VR allows you to have multiple screens, and you can share as much content as you want at the same time. There can be whiteboards in the meeting space for you to scribble at will. In short, it feels like a real meeting with fewer restrictions.
These are just the beginning, people can also customize their office arbitrarily, everything will be very convenient.
In addition to these work forms that have been changed by the meta-universe, you just asked what new jobs this technology will give birth to. I think it will create many new types of work, such as virtual space design. We will need a lot of creators to give birth to Create a huge virtual content creation economy.
There will be many individual creators, designing various experiences and scenes in the meta-universe; there are also artists who specialize in designing some activities, for example, we have held a VR drama performance before, which is really interesting…
It’s not enough to build a popular product
We must create more opportunities for society to benefit the active development of society
Q: Wait, what is this show about? Did you tell a joke too?
Zuckerberg: Fortunately, I am not a comedy performer, but our team is involved in the construction of comedy scenes. In this process, we can also test the results of our work, which also makes me feel very interesting.
In addition, you can also build scenes for concert halls, and even 3A game masterpieces. People can participate in the experience of various scenes through avatars, and they can also be transmitted arbitrarily. Your appearance settings and digital props can also be followed at all times. I think these will give birth to a new economic model.
There is also a more ambitious point, which I have learned from my experience in operating Facebook in the past five years: I used to think that our job is to create products that users like to use, but now I think we should look at this more holistically. Thing-
It is not enough to just create things that everyone likes to use, but to create more opportunities and things that are more positive for the society, so that everyone can participate in it, and it must be sufficiently inclusive.
These are the underlying principles that we follow when constructing meta-universe spaces. These spaces are not just our products, but an ecosystem.
Therefore, with our consensus creators and developers, they must not only satisfy themselves, but also recruit other people. We hope that this field can eventually attract millions of people to create content together, whether it is about experience or space. , Virtual goods, clothes, work, security, etc.
I think this will build a huge economy. Frankly speaking, I think Metaverse is exactly what we need in the future. It is like a wave that can carry countless ships, not just a product we are building. .
We have 1,000 employees responsible for the content review AI system
There are more than 35,000 manual audits
No city can completely eliminate crime
Why are the requirements for Facebook so strict?
Question: Then let’s talk about your principles for constructing the meta-universe world, because there must be people who don’t want you to do this. These people think that the government’s supervision of you is not effective enough, and “connivance” you to continue to develop the meta-universe. The universe may make you more lawless.
The reason why some people think so is because there have been a lot of false information endangering public safety on the Facebook platform before. What do you think of this?
Zuckerberg: One of the responsibilities of the platform is to provide official and authoritative information. At this point, we have done a good job. More than 2 billion people in the world have learned the latest official news on Facebook or Instagram.
Although there have been some false news circulating, overall I am proud of the performance of this responsibility. The net influence of the Facebook platform must be positive, whether in the moral management of the community or the handling of false information. What we did was pretty good.
We monitor and track about 20 different kinds of hazard information. From terrorism, child exploitation to political incitement, and violent incidents, we have a special system for handling all related hazard information.
More than 1,000 employees are responsible for the construction and maintenance of related AI and technical systems. In addition, more than 35,000 employees conduct manual filtering audits. I think this security information review system will naturally be used in new work to be carried out in the future.
Maintaining the order of the Facebook-scale platform is similar to cracking down on criminal activities in a city to some extent, and it is almost impossible to put an end to all criminal activities in a city.
The police department cannot ensure that all criminal activities are eliminated. Even so, no one will say that the police department is a complete failure, so some comments on Facebook are unfair.
So I think the goal of the content review system should be to minimize the harmful information as much as possible, and then to ensure that the entire community develops in a positive and positive direction.
The same is true for the meta universe, but the meta universe has some other moral issues.
At least in the VR field, there is a very obvious gender imbalance. There are more male players than females, which sometimes leads to some harassment.
The measures we currently take are to make it easier for users to block other users, so that the harm of harassment can be minimized, so that players have a safe space with other users who want to live together.
With such a gender imbalance, it is difficult to build a healthy and attractive community, because a small number of parties will feel insecure.
So gender balance is very important, not only for social impact, but also for how we create better products, so this is what we need to pay special attention to in the early stages of design.
Question: As my understanding of the meta universe deepened, I realized that when it really comes, it will be very different from today’s social networks. It’s not that I spend more than ten minutes scrolling through the information flow, but it may be one day. Work and live in it for 8 hours.
As you said, it will not stay at the level of text-to-speech communication, but in this virtual space. Do you think it is natural for you to extend the safety and health of this system at present? Or does it need to rethink and blaze a new trail, especially considering the huge increase in content under the new format?
Zuckerberg: There will definitely be new challenges, even in the current form of two-dimensional social media apps, new challenges will continue to emerge.
For example, in the turmoil in the 2016 US general election, we are all constantly facing new challenges. Moreover, it takes a process to build an AI system to automatically filter these harmful information. Generally speaking, there is no way to do it in less than half a year.
We are currently basically planning a roadmap to build all relevant infrastructure in 3 to 4 years.
This is still a bit painful when making some long-term plans, because the infrastructure must be set up before proceeding.
In fact, we have done a lot of AI work and hired a lot of content review. I think it will be easier for the existing system to continue to adapt to new application scenarios than to build it out of thin air.
I just mentioned the problem of female players being harassed in VR applications. We will also encounter various safety and health issues, which we will continue to pay attention to.
The emergence of the meta-universe can break the uneven opportunity caused by geographical factors
Telecommuting may become mainstream in 5 to 10 years
Question: Let me ask another question about social responsibility. For example, the meta-universe under AR technology can add layers to real objects.
Take the Capitol for example. Most people see it as a government office, but there may be a group of people who will put a big label on it: On January 6, 2021, a glorious revolution began (the Capitol was hit by the American people on the same day). Impact);
Some people may even think that it is a laboratory where the lizard people are doing human research. What I want to ask is whether the emergence of the meta-universe will divide people with different values and worldviews into small worlds?
Zuckerberg: I think this may be a core problem of our time. Obviously, this technology has its own advantages and disadvantages. The advantages are obvious. Going back to 2 or 30 years ago, people’s personal development opportunities are largely restricted by their geographic location.
For example, a person who is a basketball player in a small town is not necessarily because of how talented he is, but because of the popularity of basketball in that town, there is no other choice.
And I am very lucky. I like computers, and the environment in which I grew up can easily get in touch with related industries and people, etc. So if meta-universe technology can remove the limitation of distance, then everyone will have much more opportunities than ever before.
It’s not just that it’s easier for us in Metaverse to find the communities we are interested in and communicate with you. I think economic opportunities are also very important. There is a study showing where you grew up and your income and future The possibilities are highly correlated.
I think this result is contrary to the equal opportunity initiative, but with the help of Metaverse, when telecommuting becomes the norm, regional restrictions are completely eliminated. After Facebook realized that the epidemic would normalize, I asked the team to recruit. Don’t limit yourself to those who are closer to the office.
Telecommuting will become the mainstream in the future. I think in 5 to 10 years, maybe half of the companies will switch to telecommuting, which will create a lot of job opportunities.
But the next question is, in such a highly integrated world, whether people of different cultural backgrounds work remotely through Metaverse, will they have equal opportunities with those who actually work in the office?
I think that the more mature the holographic imaging, AR and VR technologies, the closer this answer is to “yes”. With the help of these technologies, your sense of presence will be much stronger than the current way of connecting through the screen, and you will be able to relax in the future. Join any community, no matter where you are.
So I think the influence of Metaverse in creating new opportunities is more positive.
Of course, any technology will have its downsides. In the context of the meta-universe, it may take many efforts to build a cohesive society, and everyone needs to have a common value and world outlook.
The question is, how can this be done in a world where everyone has such a high degree of freedom?
But I think as long as we continue to work in this direction, the problem will eventually be solved, or at least an equilibrium can be reached. In general, the metaverse will bring many new opportunities. This is worth celebrating.
Companies such as Facebook and Microsoft have begun to build the Meta Universe standard protocol
Our vision is to create an interconnected meta-universe world
Question: How do you think Metaverse will be regulated? Who should be responsible for the construction of its system?
Zuckerberg: This issue should be viewed on different levels. As I said earlier, Metaverse should not be created by a certain company, but it must have a certain degree of interoperability and portability. For example, the avatar and digital equipment you own need to be universal under the platforms of different companies.
For example, VR headsets of different companies must be adapted to different software, allowing users to have a seamless experience, just like today’s Facebook and Instagram.
So I think it’s better for different companies to work together to build a fully connected world, rather than each building a closed platform.
Just like we now have different network protocols under the W3C standard, everyone in the meta-universe must follow the common standards and protocols to create content. It needs to support people’s avatars and digital props, and seamlessly in different experience scenarios. Transmit.
We have begun to work with Microsoft and other companies to build the meta-universe standard. I think this is the most important issue. Although I don’t think that every company’s vision is exactly the same, our cooperation so far has been very good. Everyone hopes to be able to communicate better.
Question: Last year, there was a paper on Metaverse. It mentioned that there is not much interoperability between the current large Internet platforms. The most is to export data and send some pictures to each other, but you just said that Facebook is pursuing in the future. Is it higher interoperability, let’s talk about it in detail?
Zuckerberg: Yes, this is related to our corporate mission and worldview. I don’t want to serve a small number of users with high single customer value. This is not the business model we pursue.
What we want is to help as many people as possible connect with each other. When creating a social system, we hope that as many people can connect together, the better.
So in terms of the construction of the meta-universe, we hope that it is as cheap as possible and connected as much as possible. To do this, we must ensure that everyone can use it on different platforms anytime, anywhere, and can easily talk to other people.
To achieve this, there are still many issues that need to be overcome, such as privacy and intellectual property issues.
However, sometimes people will ideally assume that one thing will develop in a certain direction. In fact, different companies will work in various directions. Some companies may tend to build a closed world, while others pursue more. Connectivity.
I don’t think that one of them will defeat the other. They are just different things. They may be more popular at different times. In any case, Facebook will work on the latter and build a more open and connected world.
Even under the same idea, there are still many different implementations, such as whether it is decentralized, similar to the underlying design of cryptocurrency. If this is the case, then this system will not only be universal, but will not even have a core. Responsible party
Or its connectivity is based on some standards, allowing different experience scenarios to work together, etc., there will be many different implementations, and how it will evolve will be another big question.
The development of Meta Universe and many other fields requires a large amount of government investment
China is doing better now
Question: I have seen that in general Metaverse-themed movies, Metaverse generally has a huge group company as the main body of operation. Do you think it is possible for the government to participate in it? For example, they build public spaces like parks and libraries?
Zuckerberg: I think the public space you mentioned is very important for a healthy community. It can be constructed by the government or some non-profit organizations.
For example, the current Wikipedia can be regarded as a public infrastructure of the Internet, which was created by non-governmental and non-profit organizations.
A huge technical problem encountered by the US government today is that the government did not invest heavily in the technology industry 50 years ago, so now only large technology companies have the strength to invest in related infrastructure construction.
This may not be a bad thing. For example, after the launch of 5G technology, it is difficult to imagine a newly established organization that can properly handle an industry with a scale of tens of billions. In the United States, there are large operators such as Verizon, AT&T and T-mobile. Push, I think it’s good.
However, in the overall vision of Metaverse, there are still many technical problems, requiring tens of billions of R&D investment, and at the same time, it can release hundreds of billions of dollars in value.
For example, autonomous driving requires huge investment in artificial intelligence research and development. In addition, there are actually many issues that require government investment, such as space exploration, disease research, and so on. In contrast, the Chinese government has made a lot of direct investment in these areas.
Speaking of your question, I think the public domain of Metaverse needs a lot of construction, and the government should be involved, but in fact, many open source communities and creators will participate in the construction of this piece to fill in the vacancies in the construction of many public facilities.
Question: The last question, if you succeed in creating the meta universe, are you willing to give it to the first player to complete the treasure hunt? (Annotation: This is the story of the number one player. The protagonist completes the treasure hunt and obtains the entire oasis world after finding the three keys)
Zuckerberg: Laughing to death, this number one player is okay.
But in my vision, Metaverse should be an interconnected world built by companies and users. I don’t want every company to have its own closed Metaverse…
Question: This question is a joke. Finally, thank you for sharing your vision of the meta-universe.
Zuckerberg: This is a very exciting field. It will be the future of the entire industry. I also hope that Facebook can also join in the construction of this future.
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